fbi. and when we look at the freedom of information act, the state department, there's so many different intelligence agencies really trying to stop this guy. >> so remind us, about, and you explore this in the book, the it factor that stokely had. mike references a certain -- white folks are scared factor. there was a political it factor that he combined that other people didn't have. >> absolutely. one of the things i argue in the book is he's black power's rock star. and what i mean bhi that is not to diminish or dismiss, but a real, real appeal to stokely carmichael. you could see from the cover, this is an impossibly handsome man, hugely charismatic, and also funny. so he combined so many different aspects that people of the time don't have. and he's the original founder of the black panther party in lawrence county, alabama, starts out as a political party and he becomes honorary prime minister of that party, which has uie newton, bobby seal, so he's onto cover of magazines -- >> and